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  Active JW's: If asked, can you explain/defend this belief?

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as all jw's and awakened ex-jw's know, the very existence of the religion is dependent on people's belief that the "holy trinity" of the wtbts, the ccojw, and the governing body (aka the organization) were personally selected by god/christ.. 1) mr. rutherford claimed that this divine choosing occurred circa 1919, and that all anointed members were personally chosen by god/christ to be the faithful slave.

  2) in 2013 this long-held, "profound scriptural truth" was discarded by apostates in brooklyn (the present-day governing body) when they personally decided that only gb members were chosen by god/christ to be the faithful slave.

  (wt july 2013, p.22, par.

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  Lost in the fog

  @Nitty-gritty.

  The idea that by being baptised into their religion means agreeing with all that they teach runs into a problem.

  The teaching keeps changing! The teachings a person accepted without challenge at the time of their baptism, might have been thrown out and are now no longer acceptable. But the jw cannot now openly disagree with the party line or will be made to face the consequences.

  Secondly, at baptism we all agreed that we would be an ordained minister in harmony with "God's spirit-directed organisation". When we discover much later that God's spirit is not leading the F&DS we either cancel our membership and stop ministering, or (pimo) hide out all the while keeping our heads down and not actively stirring the pot.

  It's a very sad state for any one to be living in. Fear of men (GB and Elders), who you unknowingly handed over your power to when you said "yes" to those baptism questions so long ago.
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  Library now cleared out

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  well, it looks like the axe has finally fallen on our kh library.

  during a deep clean of the local kh, a brother suddenly informed everyone 'whikst cleaning' that all the old books including bound volumes of the watchtower etc was to be chucked in the skip.. from what i heard, some were taken aback by this and quite annoyed that no announcement was made; that no one was given the choice of taking some of these books home to keep.

  i mean the entire collection of studies in the scriptures and others that go back an entire century.

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  Lost in the fog

  It's been done throughout the island of Ireland.
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  Mental Illness isn't limited to the Human Race.

  by Lost in the fog in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  a former friend of ours who lives in ireland posted this link recently about animals and mental illness.

  seems humans are not so different from the animal world at all.

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/earth/story/20150909-many-animals-can-become-mentally-ill .

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  Lost in the fog

  A former friend of ours who lives in Ireland posted this link recently about animals and mental illness. Seems humans are not so different from the animal world at all.

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/earth/story/20150909-many-animals-can-become-mentally-ill
  
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  Christmas arrogance

  by stillin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one of the witness rebuttals that is used to belittle the christmas holiday is the one where they say that people reduce jesus christ to being just a baby in a manger, whereas the witnesses recognize him as a mighty king, a much more accurate and current way to view jesus.

  a baby in a manger is a sweet sight on any day, it's true, but more is going on than meets the eye in the case of jesus.

  this particular baby is the first baby to have been born without an earthly father, the immaculate conception.

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  Lost in the fog

  And while Jesus should be hailed as a heavenly king, he is presented as being a chief angel called Michael instead.
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  Yet another example why you can't reason with a JW

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i mentioned to my pimi brother that the org.

  only grew by 1.4 % 2 years in row and if you factor in the birthrate of 1.1 % that's only 3/10 of 1% growth for all that hard work.

  i thought people would be streaming to the mountain of jehovah in the last days?

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  Lost in the fog

  When they say that they read it in the Watchtower therefore it must be true I reply saying I don't believe in conspiracy theories.

  Conspiracy theory? 1 or 2 do ask.

  Yes, the theory based on regularly revised made up prophecy that the world is ending anytime soon.
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  Memories from the Edge

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when waking up it often isn't an instant switch, there's a period of time when your conflicted feelings are heightened and most uncomfortable.

  can anyone remember specific instances in the time before you fully woke up that made you uncomfortable or guilty, despite you still being a 'believer'?.

  i can think of two right now, both about a year or two before i woke up:.

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  Lost in the fog

  WillYouDFme, your comment is identical to my own experiences. It is hard to stop after being used to public speaking at elders schools, assemblies etc. But comes the realisation that we were only regurgitating what we were told to use, even where it made no logical sense. Like the men of old looking to the heavenly kingdom but twisting the scripture to say that it was an earthly kingdom because they wouldn't be in heaven. I couldn't believe that.

  And Jesus as Michael the archangel never made sense in light of Hebrews 1.

  The troubles in our congregation made me want to run away before I knocked somebody's teeth in. I still feel hurt over the nasty way I was treated by men that I had helped along in the truth. But I have freedom of choice now to do what I want to do not looking over my shoulder in case I was being watched or recorded.

  Merry Christmas and a happy new year to you all.
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  Facebook evangelising

  by jhine in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2226652490738312&set=a.106546726082243&type=3&theater this was posted on fb by a witness who l am " friends " with .

  she has since posted another jw propaganda piece .

  these look like they are from the wt and are official evangelising tools .

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  Lost in the fog

  The WT organisation has recently said that nothing from their literature or from the jw(dot) org website is to be shared online especially not on social media sites. They claim that it infringes the copyright of their material.

  So it probably means that whoever is posting this online wants to preach to the world, but at the same time is being disobedient to the GB.

  ws18 August p. 30 "Questions From Readers, Why is no-one allowed to post publications of Jehovah’s Witnesses on other websites or on social media?"

  And ends with:

  You can find a link to the Terms of Use at the bottom of the home page on jw.org. These rules apply to everything that is available on our websites.
  
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  Abuse Survivor's $4M Judgment Against Jehovah's Witness Umbrella Organization Upheld by Court 12/10/18

  by Not_Culty in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/2018/12/10/court-upholds-abuse-survivors-4m-judgement-against-jehovahs-witness-umbrella-organization-389-52222/?slreturn=20181111101406.

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  Lost in the fog

  This article gives the most information.

  https://www.leagle.com/decision/incaco20181210020
  
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  The Baptist Churches Turn.

  by Lost in the fog in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  it's the turn of the american baptist churches to come under scrutiny now.

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  https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/star-telegram-uncovers-hundreds-of-sexual-abuse-cases-in-fundamentalist-baptist-churches/.

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  Lost in the fog

  It's the turn of the American Baptist Churches to come under scrutiny now.

  https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/star-telegram-uncovers-hundreds-of-sexual-abuse-cases-in-fundamentalist-baptist-churches/
  
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  How would you reason with a JW that it is okay to say Good Luck?

  by Iamallcool in

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  2. friends

  any takers?.

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  Lost in the fog

  I can recall one oldie who would have taken you to task for using the word Fantastic in your talk.

  Because fantastic derived from Fantasy, and if something was a fantasy it didn't exist. So you couldn't say "I hope our pioneers will have a fantastic time at the school."

  Fantastic! Take that brother into the back room and have him shot....